ubuntu??

[K8YS]

I d/l'ed ubuntu and burned the image to a CD. Using my laptop, I replaced the Win2K hard drive and tried to install ubuntu. If keeps running from the CDrom.

In the Win world, I wold format the hard drive after I set up my partitions, ubuntu did not give me that option.

HOW do I install this thing?

[N2RJ]

Ubuntu pretty much does it automatically. You have to boot the live CD and then click the desktop icon to install ubuntu.

After you set up the partitions, ubuntu will create the filesystem (what you windows people refer to as "formatting" the partition). You can do it manually as well using mkfs.

I think there's a GUI utility too.

BTW, I'm using kubuntu (ubuntu with KDE) at work. I don't like gnome at all. KDE is a much prettier, more polished interface.

I have my Windows in a VMWARE vm but most of my windows stuff runs fine from WINE. I can even do remote desktop (RDP) to Windows boxes using ubuntu's terminal server client... :lol:

[ad4mg]

Ubuntu pretty much does it automatically. You have to boot the live CD and then click the desktop icon to install ubuntu.

After you set up the partitions, ubuntu will create the filesystem (what you windows people refer to as "formatting" the partition). You can do it manually as well using mkfs.

I think there's a GUI utility too.

BTW, I'm using kubuntu (ubuntu with KDE) at work. I don't like gnome at all. KDE is a much prettier, more polished interface.

I have my Windows in a VMWARE vm but most of my windows stuff runs fine from WINE. I can even do remote desktop (RDP) to Windows boxes using ubuntu's terminal server client... :lol:

Yes, KDE is a nicer looking desktop. I have an older machine running Slackware 9 something, and I configured lilo to boot to the KDE desktop.

I'm still an idiot when fooling with Linux, though. I've only fooled with it for about two weeks. When I master the slackware install, I intend to set up several of my machines to dual boot Windoze and some flavor of Linux. Kubuntu is looking real good ... I ran a live CD version of Ubuntu for a while, and its a very nice OS!

[N2RJ]

Ubuntu rocks. We even use it on servers here.

I'm thinking of installing it at home, and using WINE for my windows apps.

[K8YS]

OK, here is what I've done so far and nothing is working correctly.

1) I installed WinXP on a 30gb partition... this allowed to me to verify that everything was working correctly

2) I then partitioned the remaining drive into another 30GB and a 15GB partitions

3) I booted from the unbuntu CD and it came up, but ny monitor showed three THREE redundant screen portions. That is, I have three screens that are overlayed on the next. I cannot see an entire screen, and I have two icons, one is INSTALL.

4)i've tried to install to the 15gb partition (basic format, not NTFS) but I cannot get past the fractured GUI.

[ad4mg]

K8YS: I'm so new to Linux, that I can't be of any assistance. Surely there is a Linux guru here that know what's up. I'd guess it's the video driver (duh), but it took me hours and hours, plus one reinstall just to get Slackware 9 to understand the old Trident integrated chipset on this machine.

I wish I could offer more assistance. I am really enjoying my Linux box, learning all about it, but it was frustrating getting the damn thing running. I am fighting Samba now ... trying to get the Linux box to recognize the Windows network its plugged in to. I have it showing up on the Windows network, and can ping all the Win boxes, but have been unable to view any of the shared folders and/or printers on the network.

Good luck, man ... I hope someone drops in and offers some help for your video issue.

73 - Luke

[N2RJ]

What video card do you have, K8YS?

[K8YS]

What video card do you have, K8YS?

default in a Dell Latitude C800

[K8YS]

K8YS: I'm so new to Linux, that I can't be of any assistance. Surely there is a Linux guru here that know what's up. I'd guess it's the video driver (duh), but it took me hours and hours, plus one reinstall just to get Slackware 9 to understand the old Trident integrated chipset on this machine.

I wish I could offer more assistance. I am really enjoying my Linux box, learning all about it, but it was frustrating getting the damn thing running. I am fighting Samba now ... trying to get the Linux box to recognize the Windows network its plugged in to. I have it showing up on the Windows network, and can ping all the Win boxes, but have been unable to view any of the shared folders and/or printers on the network.

Good luck, man ... I hope someone drops in and offers some help for your video issue.

73 - Luke

I am beginning to lose all faith in linux. I loaded Knoppix (Hamshack-hack) and could not find my NIC (PCMCIA WiFi card), so I could not get to my LAN. Unless something changes, I am about to toss out all the linux junk.

[W4KLB]

:D :D no thanks i dubuntu but i apreciate the offer :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
73

[M0GLO]

K8YS: I'm so new to Linux, that I can't be of any assistance. Surely there is a Linux guru here that know what's up. I'd guess it's the video driver (duh), but it took me hours and hours, plus one reinstall just to get Slackware 9 to understand the old Trident integrated chipset on this machine.

I wish I could offer more assistance. I am really enjoying my Linux box, learning all about it, but it was frustrating getting the damn thing running. I am fighting Samba now ... trying to get the Linux box to recognize the Windows network its plugged in to. I have it showing up on the Windows network, and can ping all the Win boxes, but have been unable to view any of the shared folders and/or printers on the network.

Good luck, man ... I hope someone drops in and offers some help for your video issue.

73 - Luke

I am beginning to lose all faith in linux. I loaded Knoppix (Hamshack-hack) and could not find my NIC (PCMCIA WiFi card), so I could not get to my LAN. Unless something changes, I am about to toss out all the linux junk.

It's Unix. If you won't download and or compile drivers yourself (IE you are looking for a plug and play OS like Win/OSX) then it's not for you.

You have to WANT to know how it works and do the required work to get it gong to use it.
Some of the new distros take away most of the pain, but not all of it.

If you are like me, there is no pain regardless of the distro so I use Gentoo.

Not meaning to talk down at you but that pretty much is the way of it.

[N2RJ]

Linux has come a long way though.

In fact, ubuntu has great support right out of the box.

The disconnect is where hardware vendors are developing drivers for Windows only. The people who develop drivers for Linux either have to reverse engineer the hardware or use it in compatibility mode.

[M0GLO]

Linux has come a long way though.

In fact, ubuntu has great support right out of the box.

The disconnect is where hardware vendors are developing drivers for Windows only. The people who develop drivers for Linux either have to reverse engineer the hardware or use it in compatibility mode.

Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu is great!
But it is still not "painless".

[n8vw]

K8YS: I'm so new to Linux, that I can't be of any assistance. Surely there is a Linux guru here that know what's up. I'd guess it's the video driver (duh), but it took me hours and hours, plus one reinstall just to get Slackware 9 to understand the old Trident integrated chipset on this machine.

I wish I could offer more assistance. I am really enjoying my Linux box, learning all about it, but it was frustrating getting the damn thing running. I am fighting Samba now ... trying to get the Linux box to recognize the Windows network its plugged in to. I have it showing up on the Windows network, and can ping all the Win boxes, but have been unable to view any of the shared folders and/or printers on the network.

Good luck, man ... I hope someone drops in and offers some help for your video issue.

73 - Luke

I am beginning to lose all faith in linux. I loaded Knoppix (Hamshack-hack) and could not find my NIC (PCMCIA WiFi card), so I could not get to my LAN. Unless something changes, I am about to toss out all the linux junk.


Posting this from a Dell C600 so I'm sure your C800 will work. You probably should first use the "Start Ubuntu in Safe Graphics Mode" option when you initially boot of the CD. Also You don't have to preconfigure your partitions, it will do this for you even making space for it self if windows already has the whole drive (defrag windows first). For wifi, once you get in you can open a terminal window (applications / accessories / terminal) and enter lspci to see a list of devices. Post the list and I can probably help you out if it doesn't get recognized.

Here is a good install link with excellent pictures:
http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_d ... tsy_gibbon (http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_ubuntu_gutsy_gibbon)

[n8vw]

Linux has come a long way though.

In fact, ubuntu has great support right out of the box.

The disconnect is where hardware vendors are developing drivers for Windows only. The people who develop drivers for Linux either have to reverse engineer the hardware or use it in compatibility mode.

Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu is great!
But it is still not "painless".

I guess you've never installed windows. :P

(personally I think the best install is gentoo, more like a kit than a click and hope install.)

[M0GLO]

Linux has come a long way though.

In fact, ubuntu has great support right out of the box.

The disconnect is where hardware vendors are developing drivers for Windows only. The people who develop drivers for Linux either have to reverse engineer the hardware or use it in compatibility mode.

Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu is great!
But it is still not "painless".

I guess you've never installed windows. :P

(personally I think the best install is gentoo, more like a kit than a click and hope install.)

I am a senior sys admin, of course I have installed Windows.

True enough about Gentoo, but you definitely have to know what you need to install if you are going to build a system on it. Otherwise you either over install and waste tons of disk or you get a system that does nothing and leaves you running around at odd times trying to get something installed that you expected to be there.

Not for beginners.

[KC2RPP]

heres a hint. Try reading the documantation for Ubuntu. I did that for knoppix when i installed that on my hard drive and doing knoppix is harder than Ubuntu

[M0GLO]

RTFM, the one true fix for that problem between the seat and the keyboard! :lol:

[WB3JWS]

I don't know what distro you have of Ubuntu, but 7.10 is the most rock solid release yet. When I installed XP I needed to find another disk for my drivers for the network, and soundcard. With Ubuntu it just... well installed. No problems.

I also love the ability to use command line, as sometimes in order to do certain commands its just easier...

[kc7gnm]

Ubuntu rocks. We even use it on servers here.

I'm thinking of installing it at home, and using WINE for my windows apps.


Some of the windows programs won't run correctly under WINE. Most of the ham radio apps I have tried work pretty good under wine. MMSSTV, Digipan, and a few others work well. Luckly Satscape came out with a Java version because his windows version will not run under wine no matter what you do. Also forget trying to run anything like microsoft office or anything complex like that because wine doesn't duplicate all the API's perfectly just yet.

I run Kubuntu here as an APRS internet gateway and it has never crashed in the 6 months I have been running it. The only time it ever stops is when the power goes out here. (really need to get me a UPS. LOL) They also seem to update it regularly because about every 2 days I see the update icon on the taskbar staring at me. I like it because it runs on older hardware and runs really smoothly and does exactly what I want it to do.

Some are correct about the almost plug and play. It is not windows and you need to know a little bit about unix and the command line to get some things running properly but Kubuntu and Ubuntu have a vast library of programs for just about anything already compiled for their system. Also any debian programs will work since Ubuntu is based on that distro.

[N2RJ]

I use kubuntu at work, although on the servers we are running Red Hat Enterprise.

[n2ize]

Ubuntu rocks. We even use it on servers here.

I'm thinking of installing it at home, and using WINE for my windows apps.

I use Fedora here. It's basically the same as Kubuntu/Ubuntu except with more options... if you install the entire shebang. I've been using Linux at home since it's very early days on the earliest kernels. It was wild then. Lots of unsupported stuff. Yet it worked and with some work you could get a lot of hardware to work. In those days you did a lot of kernel recompiles, the machines were a lot slower than today and recompiles often took a long time. Windows...bah... never use it at home. Very rare occaision I boot up windows.

What kind of Windows apps are you using with Wine ? I generally find Wine to be quite problematic. Then again I probably use it with a lot of nonstandard apps.

[N2RJ]

Fedora is not the same as Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is debian based, Fedora is RedHat based. Internally they are quite different.

I don't use a lot of stuff with WINE, mostly Visio and Photoshop CS2. Most of my Windows stuff is now done in a VMWare instance.

Been a Linux user since Redhat 4.1. I downloaded an entire image of RedHat 6.2 on dialup once. Not something I'd do again.

[n2ize]

Fedora is not the same as Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is debian based, Fedora is RedHat based. Internally they are quite different.


True. But as long as they use the kernel and the base Unix directory structure they're pretty much the same to me. But they are different as you point out.



I don't use a lot of stuff with WINE, mostly Visio and Photoshop CS2. Most of my Windows stuff is now done in a VMWare instance.


Yeah, that's about the best mileage I've got out of Wine. I got it to work for a few utilities and for a couple of simpler games. But there is still a ton of stuff that's very finiky or impossible under Wine. Then again, I don;t need to run much in the way of Windows software so I'm pretty much satisifed with native Linux apps. I have used Crossover which ois based on Wine for running Windows browser plugins under Linux. It has a rather handy plugin and app installer to make the process easier. Unfortunately Crossover is not free. But they do have a free trial version with an annoying reminder to buy the registered version.



Been a Linux user since Redhat 4.1. I downloaded an entire image of RedHat 6.2 on dialup once. Not something I'd do again.
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The first redhat release I ever ran was possibly RHL 1.1 or RHL 2.0. I remember running a version 1.2.x kernel. I remember I had no sound capacity, I was running it on a 166 mhz Pentium (fast for those days) and any added features involved a kernel recompilation... slow in those days.

I do remember upgrading to RHL 3.0.3 (Picasso) and was amazed at some of the new features and improvements. Then I think i went from there to version 4.2 then 5.0 then 6.0 then 7.1 and then onto Fedora 1 then 3 and now 6 and soone to be 8 or 9 or whatever.

Running Linux was strange in the earlier days. Few people knew anything about it. Whenever I would mention Linux people would give me funny looks and say, "why ? why not just use Windows" ? But I stuck with it.

Can't say I ever downloaded a distro when I had dialup. Back when i had dialup (which was until are recently as Nov 2006) I would order the new distros on CD from a vendone called "Cheapbytes". Nowdays with high speed fibre I often download several distros so I can test and compare dfifferent ones.

[N2RJ]

True. But as long as they use the kernel and the base Unix directory structure they're pretty much the same to me. But they are different as you point out.

Debian basically focuses more on "free" software, although ubuntu has deviated somewhat from that. I fondly refer to Debian as "activist Linux" or "hippie Linux."

Their packages are also more "stable" although ubuntu tends to deviate from that as well.

The tools are a bit different - RedHat uses RPM, Debian (and ubuntu) uses dpkg and APT.



Yeah, that's about the best mileage I've got out of Wine. I got it to work for a few utilities and for a couple of simpler games. But there is still a ton of stuff that's very finiky or impossible under Wine. Then again, I don;t need to run much in the way of Windows software so I'm pretty much satisifed with native Linux apps. I have used Crossover which ois based on Wine for running Windows browser plugins under Linux. It has a rather handy plugin and app installer to make the process easier. Unfortunately Crossover is not free. But they do have a free trial version with an annoying reminder to buy the registered version.

I just run VMWare and a real copy of Windows if I need to.


The first redhat release I ever ran was possibly RHL 1.1 or RHL 2.0. I remember running a version 1.2.x kernel. I remember I had no sound capacity, I was running it on a 166 mhz Pentium (fast for those days) and any added features involved a kernel recompilation... slow in those days.

Loadable modules did exist in 1.2.x kernels, so recompilation wasn't necessary for everything.

I've also used Slackware which was actually more popular than RHL in the 90's.

I still think Red Hat sucks and their installer sucks even more, but they have the marketing machine and industry support. Hey, at least it's still Linux.


Running Linux was strange in the earlier days. Few people knew anything about it. Whenever I would mention Linux people would give me funny looks and say, "why ? why not just use Windows" ? But I stuck with it.

I never really got into Linux until after I worked with some commercial Unixes - SCO, Digital Unix (OSF/1). When I was in high school we traded around software, which is how I got my hands on a copy of Red Hat. I wish I could have burned my own CD's. CD burners were like $1000 back then and needed a really fast machine.

I seriously got into Linux when I was working at this place (http://www.gulfinsuranceltd.com) where we began to use Linux for all sorts of things, including loading them on desktop machines to evade the BSA. (They pirated so much software back then...)

[n2ize]

True. But as long as they use the kernel and the base Unix directory structure they're pretty much the same to me. But they are different as you point out.

Debian basically focuses more on "free" software, although ubuntu has deviated somewhat from that. I fondly refer to Debian as "activist Linux" or "hippie Linux."


I don'tlet any version or distro inhibit me. At least not at home. On my home systems you'll find plenty of software compiled, installed and run from tarballs as much as rpms.

Yes, Debian is often associated with being counterculture, anti establisment... the OS of old hippies like Stallman amnd others.
Aging long haired pot smokers... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Their packages are also more "stable" although ubuntu tends to deviate from that as well.

The tools are a bit different - RedHat uses RPM, Debian (and ubuntu) uses dpkg and APT.


Ah stability ... Yes, Ubuntu/Kbuntu has strived for and it probably generally more stable than Fedora. But then again, Fedora is a "proving ground". I might not recommend it for all round stability although recent releases seem to have gotten pretty darned good.






I just run VMWare and a real copy of Windows if I need to.


That seems to be the best way to go given the inherent incompatabilities with Wine. I have little experience there. I would like to experiment with VMWare.Perhaps we can compare notes on it in the futture.



The first redhat release I ever ran was possibly RHL 1.1 or RHL 2.0. I remember running a version 1.2.x kernel. I remember I had no sound capacity, I was running it on a 166 mhz Pentium (fast for those days) and any added features involved a kernel recompilation... slow in those days.

Loadable modules did exist in 1.2.x kernels, so recompilation wasn't necessary for everything.
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Yeah, I know. But it was crude back then and for me the best way to get sound support was via recompilation. Then I upgraded to 3.03 and suddenly I had sound... or I think I did :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



I've also used Slackware which was actually more popular than RHL in the 90's.


Slacktware , yep. I remember it. When I fisrt went with RHL quite a few linux geeks said..."get rid of RHL and go with Slackware". But in those days my "personal" Linux installs were a bizarre mixture of rpm's, tarballs, and my own home grown software.... But it worked... by some miracle.



I still think Red Hat sucks and their installer sucks even more, but they have the marketing machine and industry support. Hey, at least it's still Linux.


I use Fedora. Is the RH installer different ? I have done quite well with both RH and Fedora and the installer has worked well for me. Which installer have you used and what problems have you encountered ?




Running Linux was strange in the earlier days. Few people knew anything about it. Whenever I would mention Linux people would give me funny looks and say, "why ? why not just use Windows" ? But I stuck with it.

I never really got into Linux until after I worked with some commercial Unixes - SCO, Digital Unix (OSF/1). When I was in high school we traded around software, which is how I got my hands on a copy of Red Hat. I wish I could have burned my own CD's. CD burners were like $1000 back then and needed a really fast machine.
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My first exposure to Unix was via Irix. I first encountered Linux inb a Barnes & Noble bookstore. How cool, I thought, a true Unix based multiasking, multiuser system reminiscent of my college days. I just HAD to have it. :D




I seriously got into Linux when I was working at this place (http://www.gulfinsuranceltd.com) where we began to use Linux for all sorts of things, including loading them on desktop machines to evade the BSA. (They pirated so much software back then...)

Ah, an insurance man ... :mrgreen: I worked for the gambling industry...so we do share something in common... after all they both share common ground...insurance is a game of chance and odds.

I simply adopted Linux as my home OS and later on introduced it in various jobs I have worked at.