coded data and Ham radio

[kb9rqz]

followig a few threads on that other site the question gets asked "what reasaon for coding ars tranmissions exist"? or word to that effect

I reall reading a few months ago about a Sfake Skywarn reports being sent in dverting police and EMS during a strom for a Tornado that never was.

a teen recently busted for fake "SOS"

This sort of thing is why one might wish to en code data and be legit IMO in doing so
encoding EM Comm as part of insuring they stay secure from fake messages

such a system is of course open to abuses but so is the present system

[N3ATS]

Yet another reason to keep mission critical comms off of a hobby radio system.

[kc2orw]

Yet another reason to keep mission critical comms off of a hobby radio system.

That is probably the best answer can't do much about fake May Day calls besides fine the heck out of the perpetrators.

[N3ATS]

Exactly, and that's a reactive solution. You need to be proactive in protecting your comms.

Naturally anyone can buy a ham radio and modify it to Tx on P.S. freqs just as easy. Perhaps the stigma of transmitting on real police or emergency freqs makes people think twice.

Ham radio to most is just a hobby, and not really taken seriously. I think that's part of the problem. People see it as a "toy", and figure "what the hell, let's play".

[kc2orw]

There is so much available today that there is virtually no need to use the AR bands for EM Comm short of a doomsday scenario.

There is a lot of talk about how there is so much money available for EM Comm these days that they encouraging people to sign up for AR tests so they can use the bands. Well to be honest that is really not necessary as in real emergencies the government can just take the bands and use them if they wish.
I think the whole EM Comm on AR is a crock and they should really just keep EM Comm and AR separate. If the doomsday scenario occurs it will just be a free for all anyway there is no real justified reason for this silliness.
Too bad the loss of the code test really enabled this movement didn't it they should have just created a separate EM Comm license instead of encouraging people, who are sometimes whackers, to sign up for Amateur Radio.

[kb9rqz]

There is so much available today that there is virtually no need to use the AR bands for EM Comm short of a doomsday scenario.

There is a lot of talk about how there is so much money available for EM Comm these days that they encouraging people to sign up for AR tests so they can use the bands. Well to be honest that is really not necessary as in real emergencies the government can just take the bands and use them if they wish.
I think the whole EM Comm on AR is a crock and they should really just keep EM Comm and AR separate. If the doomsday scenario occurs it will just be a free for all anyway there is no real justified reason for this silliness.
Too bad the loss of the code test really enabled this movement didn't it they should have just created a separate EM Comm license instead of encouraging people, who are sometimes whackers, to sign up for Amateur Radio.
well the people of houghton do depend on us hams as do many other areas

[N2RJ]

Exactly, and that's a reactive solution. You need to be proactive in protecting your comms.

Naturally anyone can buy a ham radio and modify it to Tx on P.S. freqs just as easy. Perhaps the stigma of transmitting on real police or emergency freqs makes people think twice.

Ham radio to most is just a hobby, and not really taken seriously. I think that's part of the problem. People see it as a "toy", and figure "what the hell, let's play".

Yep.

In Trinidad one of my former cow-orkers saw my 2m rig in my car (it was on) then grabbed the mike and started calling "breaker breaker this is car 23 we have a robbery in progress..."

I took the mike away and slapped him upside the head... Then warned him that if he did that again, I could have the police lock him up.

[kc2orw]

well the people of houghton do depend on us hams as do many other areas
Well I never said hams couldn't be part of EM Comm, they should be, but I do question the value of EM Comms in Amateur Radio or encouraging them to be part of it. I figure that some shouldn't be encouraged to join so my suggestion was that they have a separate license and thus not encourage the feds or the states to try and acquire the bands for their own use.

[kr4uq]

well the people of houghton do depend on us hams as do many other areas
Well I never said hams couldn't be part of EM Comm, they should be, but I do question the value of EM Comms in Amateur Radio or encouraging them to be part of it. I figure that some shouldn't be encouraged to join so my suggestion was that they have a separate license and thus not encourage the feds or the states to try and acquire the bands for their own use.

In Virginia, they passed a part of the administrative code (several years ago) that allows the state to take over amateur radio stations in an emergency. Also, you can be arrested if you interfere with a/r communications in an emergency.

To my knowledge, this has never happened - and I don't believe this type of state preemption of a federally sanctioned grant would hold up. However, it is available to the state emergency management personnel, if they want to use it.

Just for drill, anyone know if your state has something like this?